If you approached most Taiwanese people and asked them about racism in Taiwan, they would probably tell you that there is no racism in Taiwan. They might say racism is a problem in other countries and they will be quick to relate stories about this if it has personally affected them. However, if you spend a little time observing and listening to people in Taiwan you will soon find that racism exists in Taiwan, just like every other country in the world.
The classified ad above (from the Taipei Times 24 June 2006) shows that Taiwanese employers can very specifically advertise for employees based on race. Discriminating on the basis of race or ethnicity is probably the worst one. However, in Taiwan it is considered quite normal to specifically state the age, gender and even marital status in an employment ad.
I remember once visiting a school and the owner told me she was having difficult employing new teachers. She said lots of people had applied but they were all “block” teachers. I wasn't quite sure what she meant and it was only later that I figured out she was in fact saying “black” not “block.” Discrimination against foreigners wanting to teach English whose skin is not considered to be the right color is common. So is the terrible treatment that many migrant workers from Southeast Asia are subjected to.
Racism manifests in many ways. In Taiwan it is probably reasonable to say it rarely manifests as physical violence. Instead it is expressed in more subtle ways through verbal discrimination and exclusion.
In many ways I am fortunate, as an English speaking white male I don't really experience the negative forms of racism discussed above. However, there are also positive and neutral forms of racism which I encounter on a daily basis.
The positive form is something that most people probably actually appreciate. The “foreigner” is singled out for special treatment. They are given a special place at the table, others insist upon paying for their meals or giving them things for free. This is often people being very friendly or going out of their way to take care of guests. It is not necessarily a bad thing, but I sometimes feel uncomfortable in these situations. Why should I enjoy all this special treatment when there are Taiwanese people around me just as deserving of it.
There is also a neutral type of racism that is also commonly encountered. It is the person who insists on pointing out the presence of a “foreigner.” This is often accompanied by chatter amongst their group speculating about whether the foreigner can speak Chinese or whether they should go and practice their English with him.
What annoys me about this is constantly being seen as other or outsider. In reality we are all humans. No matter what color our skin or what language we speak we share far more in common than that which differentiates us.
It is important to discuss this topic because Taiwanese people are in a state of denial. Although racism is not going to disappear overnight, if people begin to openly discuss then attitudes can change. Taiwan's demographics are changing with the presence of many foreign workers and spouses. They are all an important part of Taiwan's future. Taiwan must ensure that they are welcomed and integrated into the community.
The classified ad above (from the Taipei Times 24 June 2006) shows that Taiwanese employers can very specifically advertise for employees based on race. Discriminating on the basis of race or ethnicity is probably the worst one. However, in Taiwan it is considered quite normal to specifically state the age, gender and even marital status in an employment ad.
I remember once visiting a school and the owner told me she was having difficult employing new teachers. She said lots of people had applied but they were all “block” teachers. I wasn't quite sure what she meant and it was only later that I figured out she was in fact saying “black” not “block.” Discrimination against foreigners wanting to teach English whose skin is not considered to be the right color is common. So is the terrible treatment that many migrant workers from Southeast Asia are subjected to.
Racism manifests in many ways. In Taiwan it is probably reasonable to say it rarely manifests as physical violence. Instead it is expressed in more subtle ways through verbal discrimination and exclusion.
In many ways I am fortunate, as an English speaking white male I don't really experience the negative forms of racism discussed above. However, there are also positive and neutral forms of racism which I encounter on a daily basis.
The positive form is something that most people probably actually appreciate. The “foreigner” is singled out for special treatment. They are given a special place at the table, others insist upon paying for their meals or giving them things for free. This is often people being very friendly or going out of their way to take care of guests. It is not necessarily a bad thing, but I sometimes feel uncomfortable in these situations. Why should I enjoy all this special treatment when there are Taiwanese people around me just as deserving of it.
There is also a neutral type of racism that is also commonly encountered. It is the person who insists on pointing out the presence of a “foreigner.” This is often accompanied by chatter amongst their group speculating about whether the foreigner can speak Chinese or whether they should go and practice their English with him.
What annoys me about this is constantly being seen as other or outsider. In reality we are all humans. No matter what color our skin or what language we speak we share far more in common than that which differentiates us.
It is important to discuss this topic because Taiwanese people are in a state of denial. Although racism is not going to disappear overnight, if people begin to openly discuss then attitudes can change. Taiwan's demographics are changing with the presence of many foreign workers and spouses. They are all an important part of Taiwan's future. Taiwan must ensure that they are welcomed and integrated into the community.
Contributted to Wasai Taiwan by: David Reid
(Australia--- Taipei, Taiwan)
Visit his blog: David on Formosa
40 comments:
this article is very well balanced, and David handles the topic delicately, yet with authority:
"There is also a neutral type of racism that is also commonly encountered. It is the person who insists on pointing out the presence of a “foreigner.” This is often accompanied by chatter amongst their group speculating about whether the foreigner can speak Chinese or whether they should go and practice their English with him.
What annoys me about this is constantly being seen as other or outsider. In reality we are all humans. No matter what color our skin or what language we speak we share far more in common than that which differentiates us."
this particular trait is not only annoying, but also limiting. Taiwan can never become a truly international country until the people embrace multi-nationalism! while Taiwan is pressing for UN recognition and their own international identity, everyday people are pointing to "foreigners" and consider most "foreigners" to be little more than an opportunity for English practice, or a comical diversion from their everyday norm.
great article, David.
I personally had to face this type of "racism" both here in Taiwan and in mainland China. As a student studying in Beijing I understood very well that the concept of racism wasn't well understood by my fellow Chinese classmates. They couldn't relate to what racism felt like. As an African American I felt frustration and pitty at the sametime.
James
Host - World Learner Chinese
yes, the American/Caucasian history has taught people about the discrimination and it is therefore built into Taiwanese's brain that Afro American are to be discriminated. This comes from watch and learn from the movies or media. Taiwanese are fed with decayed mass media in their daily life. Most of Taiwanese are not interested in international fairs and are not educated in terms of international perspectives. Being colonized is part of their life and they don't even recognize it. They consider themselves international, because the culture itself is strongly influenced by foreign country like Japan and their willingness to open their arm to developed countries (only).
Being a foreigner myself as a Taiwanese, I see it's inevitable everywhere that people hold their favor toward certain ethical group in whatever the reason it is. To be honest, Taiwanese people are blind in this topic :) They don't even think of it.
Taiwanese people may not think they're racist just because they all come from the same place and share similar physical features, unlike in the US where there are people from many different cultures therefore the opportunity for racist comments to arise. As a Taiwanese living abroad, it is very saddening to read articles like this about my own people.
The Taiwanese ideology mainly follows those of Americans, and I'm sure other countries in Asia are following suit too. A lot of people in Taiwan are following America's culture, whether in fashion, music, movies, foods, anything you can name. American culture is now the "ideal" culture of Taiwan.
As a Taiwanese, I'm disgusted at the amount of discrimination and racism I see here in a white-dominant country, so I guess it goes both ways. What the author suggested about opening their minds should also be applied to those in the US, Europe and in the Pacific too.
Taiwanese are racists, that is a fact. the racism against foreigners is neural. If you can understand Chinese, you will notice that racists are elected as president in Taiwan, unlike most western racists being red necks. (No offence) Taiwanses are racist toward to minority ethnic groups in Taiwan such as: Haka, Mainlanders, aboriginals...Since most of you are in education business, try talk to the kids and dig out their cultural legacy of racism, in fact they are proud of it. In Taiwan they practice scarcity mentality....
awesome post ... this is one good example of racism in taiwan ... and taiwanese still denies ..
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after reading all of your articles i agree that taiwanese people are selective racists when it comes to racial color as a person's skin tone is viewed either as good or bad
for that,i feel ever saddened as black and other darker skin tone people are discriminated against .This unfair judging of people needs to stop !
but all said
i would have to say that true racism stems from white people .
it comes from a long line of imperial colonialisation through military dominance.
it all started from the secrets of making fire crackers (gun powder) was stolen from the chinese (originally banned by the chinese emperors only to be used for ceremonial and festive purposes in china for fear that it would cause great harm to mankind).
anway, the secret was leaked out to the west by a white missionary and from then on guns cannons and bombs were invented and thus began the down fall of every other non-white race today.
military dominance (you know... guns, battles ships ,tanks , fighter jet planes etc.and of course the crem de la crem of all weaponry the "a-bomb" dropping oneor two of those on a race would really make big point wouldn't it?) and after all that brutality... other non-white races were forced to sign unfair treaties that benifited the white race further more and so over time white people were provided with all the finer things in life their ancestors had unrighteously acquired for them. like owning land and all of the wonderful resources in countries that didn't origianlly belong to them .
ex. the portugese and spanish taking over south america the french taking over north and west africa and pacific islands the british taking over north america india south africa australia new zealand parts of china hong kong etc the americans -phillipines panama central america the list goes on!
i would have to write a book just to finish the list but you get the picture.
if you are further interested in liberating yourself on this matter go to google and type up "colonialisation" or "lambing flat riots" or the "history of racism" and you will find that it stems deep in white people and their ideology that they are the chosen race ordained by their god jesus and god of all races to govern everyone.
(funny how most white people nowadays don't believe in god anymore therefore excusing themselves of past crimes altogether! )
most white people today don't even realise that they are racist cause it has been so genetically imprinted in them since ancient historical times of colonizing for white people to feel racialy superior to all no-white races.
and the beauty of it all is that they will almost always surely deny that they are racist when you confront them .
they will say that "it happened a long time ago by my ancestors i didn't do it,it has nothing to do with me !"
" i'm not racist i only make fun of other people that don't look dress eat and do the things i eat and do !" "and why can't they speak english?"
it has become so normal for them to feel that they are righteous when infact they have done so much hurt and harm to every other race .i really think that the white race and culture is facinatingly bizarre and bordering on pure genius in the realm of being able to brainwash its own people in thinkig that it isn't a racist group of people. they think of racist as being a southern redneck in america behaving towards black people.when infact it is present in all facets of their everyday life. for instance i have heard so many racial comments white people make towards asians for the way they look to the food they eat and for coming to their countries and stealing their job opportunities.i can remember a time when it was aimmed towards black people .now they can no longer do the same for black people for now ,if they make a remark like that to a black person they will have physically traumatic consequences as a black person will anhillate them.and so they turn to asians because they can still get away with it as asians are nonconfrontational by nature and are physically smaller to combat against them.but it is no excuse to do so anyhow.
xenophobia is deeply rooted in the white race for reasons i have yet to understand .sometimes i wonder if white people are just so scared of things that aren't used to ?
it actually makes them very closed minded.(which they will also readily deny)
and say that they are the most open minded people cause they have traveled to many countries and seen so much suffering (all of which were caused by their doing ironically) and eaten at all the macdonals and subway joints these coutries have graciously provided for their sake.
not only that ,but they feel a crying need to impose their beliefs and ways everywhere they travel.i think it is very important for white people to look into themselves and realise that they need to stop slandering on other peoples' ways of living for being different to their own ways of living. Different physical appearance, foods cultural beliefs that other races consume and believe in that is very different to their own and accept the difference as a good thing instead of something to ridicle at a dinner table of white obesely hairy english teachers eating macdonald happy meals who come to asians countries to make large sums of money teaching english, a linquistic imposition that their white ancestors have done for them to ensure their dominance.
doesn't it infuriate you to hear that white people come to your country make big sums of your money and still give your culture and people shit for being not like theirs ?
well if their white countries are so great why aren't they there then ? it raises a lot of questions as to their white mentality an issue for another day ..
but for now
if you can understand the origins of why english has become the international language today you can surely understand that white people have been actively imposing their culture on everybody and forcing other races to adopt to their ways through military and economic might.
the fact that white people are able to ridicule and discriminate at others and still deny that they are racists.
strikes tremendous facination in me .
and so through all of this colonialisation,the white culture was imposed upon the conquered has over time permeated through all facets of everyday life.
in this day and age we live and breathe white culture really .from the clothes we wear to the music and movies we watch to all the macdonalds burgerkings starbucks subways tgifs alley cats sababas establishments in taiwan ...white cultural presence is everywhere .
can you imagine a day where all cultures ceast to exist and is taken over by white culture ?
what a scary thought! i don't think it would be for white people though, i think they'd love it
but all the beauty of the world will die along with it and that is
the disease of the white race far scarier then any epidemic known to humans even aids as it was also a disease made by white people and leaked out to africa of which the white people will deny once more .but that is also another story for another day....
i feel that white people are always trying to excuse themselves of being racist by stating that their country is "multi-cultural" but if you look at the demographics of their population you will realise that the majority their inhabitants are white .and that their "multi-cultural" inhabitants only make up less than 10% of their overall population .but yet they will still deny it for they are never wrong for they are the chosen ones to end all sufferings of the world !
and they say asian people are racist !?
it is time to admit to yourselves white people !
you guys are the racist !
get your facts straight !
and put an end to it by learning to speak chinese and eating chinese food. and if you don't like it just leave it at that
you don't have to make stipid wise ass comments about it
and try to understand that the reason that you are here is because you "can" actually make money and have a life whereas back in your country you'd probabaly still be waitng on tables or working in a gas staion pumping gas so be grateful instead of being a bunch of whinny bitches!
and most importantly don't discriminate !and exclude people !
you have no right
not even if your white!
The fact about racism existing in every single country is just a destructive reality. Where ever you are, you will find people who hate another due to their outlook. Mostly because of the general image they have of the race, and maybe what was done in history. For example I have asked several Chinese and Korean friends, they hate Japanese, because of what happened in WWII. I was shocked by this answer, but apparently they do not understand that the world is moving forward, and the people itself does not have anything to do with what was done before and the Government.
It is just dumb and sad that such uneducated people exist, and they tend to pass their uneducated thoughts to others and eventually this long chain of hatred and the idea of Racism will forever exist as a shame of Human being.
you're being too fair to taiwanese. there is a DANGEROUS kind of racism in taiwan, and that is hok lo chauvanism.
also do you really consider yourself lucky to be able to teach english in taiwan? that's all they'll ever let you do here. they will make sure that you remain an english teacher. just try and do something else on your own.
what about how they call us big nose on TV? would we call them "slant eyes" on US TV and get away with it?
there are a lot of tawainese who hate foriegners or at least think we are a joke.
don't be so fair on them. taiwanese for the most part are nice, but the powers that be are FUCKING RACIST and don't you ever forget it.
"Since most of you are in education business..."
LOL! This is a beautiful example of what David calls neutral racism. I simply correct people, tell them "Foreign" is not a country and that I don't think stinky tofu is strange. It's a great way for me to practice my Chinese.
I wouldn't call it racism if you are treated nicely.
Does not make sense, dude.
You can see how the preference and kindness are really acts that are manifestations of the results of living in a racist society.
The prejudices are developed (prejudices meaning preconceived judgments or opinions based on limited information, usually - like media, movies, etc.) because of cultural racism, or the cultural images and messages that affirm the assumed superiority (often ascribed as the intelligence, beauty, popularity) of whites and the assumed inferiority of people of color. You can see that in hiring practices (assume intelligence and beauty), reasons for exclusion and inclusion, etc.
There has to be a great thing moving within you that causes you to to assume (and act on!) the idea that a white person deserves kindness and preference over your own race (people of color) simply for the color of his or her skin. In order to do so, you have to internalize dominant Western thought in regards to whites being superior to people of color, including yourself.
It is necessary to be explicit (at the end of your article), and articulate that it is not about Taiwanese sowing extreme kindness to "foreigners," but whites in particular. So, it is about race and the prejudices that develop from racism. What you point to is a manifestation of prejudice (in this case creating preference) and internalized racism.
What's happening here, unfortunately, is that oppressed groups (people of color) have been pitted against each other instead of paying attention to what is really going on, and the dominant authority, while the dominant power can sit back and enjoy the ride, and the relative perks that come with it.
It's a shame that in the midst of having racist thoughts and ideology harbored against us, we (people of color) turn around and adopt the practice, and do the favor of reinforcing those who truly are racist towards us in every sense, and performing the same to another group systematically intended to be oppressed. It does not help anyone except the same people from whom we demand our human rights. For shame.
You would like to believe that an increase in foreign spouses and such means an open port of colonization of Taiwan by Western, white individuals.
When in fact the country is headed in the opposite direction.
I am an American born asian and after having lived in the West all my life, have seen the hypocrisy in your so-called egalitarian society. You profess equality and practice in superficial ways, yet deep inside harbor sentiments of elitism. There is a reason why Taiwan is aligning itself more closely with mainland China, and it is racially based. One day you hegemony will fall, and there WILL BE a new world order. FUCK the USA and FUCK YOU.
Let us make one thing perfectly clear, I have lived in Taiwan for two years and I have never had any issues. Everyday has been fine and I have done my job teaching English with no complaints. I pay my taxes and I help my Taiwanese land lord carry out his garbage. I like stinky tofu and I like chicken feet. Did I mention I am in fact British.
No I have to admit there are foreigners here that are to say the least culturally insensitive and it annoys me to see them behave in ways that would piss me off never mind a native Taiwanese. Yes I have seen western guys treat Taiwanese girls like shit and just kind of jump from one girl to the next. I am sure you have seen this as well.
However.... I also know Taiwanese men who do the same thing, in fact i have a Taiwanese female friend that has been cheated on three times by her ex-boyfriends all Taiwanese. And yes I know of western guys that have done the same. Yet I also have a Taiwanese friend that has been with his first girlfriend for 5 years now and I also know a western guy that has been married for 7 years to a taiwanese women and they both have kids.
Now for my point (RACE IS ESSENTIALLY A MAN MADE CONCEPT!!! DO YOU KNOW THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHAT RACE A PERSON IS FROM BY LOOKING AT THERE DNA ALONE!!! THAT IS A FACT!)
Anyway to my final two stories that should highlight my point further. I saw a white guy start a fight with a Taiwanese guy half his size for no reason, and the Taiwanese guy didn't even fight back. (WHITE GUY IS ASSHOLE YES?) Second story: I was in a club and had NOTHING to drink, then a Taiwanese guy offered my a drink. I drank it and within 5 minutes I blacked out... Later I discovered that my drink had been spiked intentionally with rohypnol. Since the guy admited he did it on purpose. WHY? I quote "Because I hate foreigners and me and my friends want to kick that foreigners ass" or so my Taiwanese friend told me. We went to the police and in fact I GOT LABELLED AS A TROUBLE MAKER.
RACISM as a concept does exist but no particular group holds full responsibility. It is just a shame that the 'news' or should I say propoganda is fuelling racism in Taiwan again I quote taiwanese news 'professional' "Many Taiwanese girls think that it is cool to date foreigners, but look what happens when they do. Do we need foreigners in our lives? I don't think we do!"
Ironic isn't, especially since Taiwan is quite happy to let America continue a treaty of protection in case mainland China ever invades. Give and take people.
So what I want to say is that races don't exist and that only individuals do! One or two assholes does not make the whole group so. I think it is time for everyone to take a look in the mirror and think what they need to change within themselves rather than continually point the finger and blame someone else. I have done this and my post is in hope that you do too... whatever your so-called race!
Live long and live peacefully.
Thankyou
i am a taiwanese, and i do hate you foreigners!!!! leave taiwanese girls alone!! fuckers
Well your right about white racism
if you look at the 18th and 19th century, its policies and treatment of chinese, Indian well as africans. however the only real existance of this now is in groups of bullies /gangs not with the majority except austrilia and south africia which are presently going through reverse racism on europeans beause of ill policies and racism to africans in the past.
in all do not hate it is the cause of racism and it encourages racists.
Most europeans are good but report any racism to the police and they will deal to them.
I doubt that any Taiwanese person would actual deny the existence of racism. I think that they just don't think it's a big problem, or that in the cases mentioned, it's justified.
Taiwan is like anywhere. There are racist assholes everywhere.
From my personal experience I've experienced both extremes. For example, a person literally stopped me in the street to welcome me to Taiwan and shake my hand. In contrast, I've been refused entry into Longshan temple (ironically a popular tourist spot) because I'm white. One of the old ladies working there then asked my wife (who is Taiwanese) is she married to me? When she replied yes, the old lady told her she was disgusting for marrying a white.
Skin color, country, religion, it doesn't make a difference. There are assholes everywhere
Racism is found in every country. What I'd like to know, how would a white person that holds Taiwanese citizenship come over if he were a cop in Taiwan? After all, there are lots of American-Chinese cops in the US and the UK. Will he or she have the same respect and authority here in Taiwan?
Hello.
I am European psychologist currently based at Taipei. I am doing research about social exclusion through language at Taiwan – that kind when people speak to you in English if you doesn’t look as Taiwanese for them even if they know you can speak Mandarin or Taiwanese. I don’t mean that kind of behavior, when people speak to you in English when they don’t know you (and they possibly turn into Mandarin/Taiwanese when they recognize you can speak them). I also don’t mean racism, when people make notes or are aggressive because of your skin color or physical characteristics, because they want to express their bad feeling for some particular race or ethnicity. I mean that behavior, when your appearance is “objectified” that way, that you are expected or demanded to be an English speaking person and people continue to speak to you in English even if they know they could not (and simultaneously they speak in Mandarin to others but not to you) and they exclude you from the community this way.
I want to learn more about this behavior from people, who live at Taiwan longer than me and make some interviews with them. If you live at Taiwan several years, you are visually distinguishable from Taiwan majority population, your Mandarin or Taiwanese speaking ability is enough to make a normal conversation (so you may have experience of that kind), you have experienced language social exclusion behavior as described above and you want to share your experience with me (maybe one hour interview), please contact me at:
chupachups567 (at) yahoo (dot) com
Thank you!
I am a white girl and I am still discriminated against in Taiwan. I have taken 3 academic years of Chinese and had previously made plans to move to China eventually to teach English because I was aware that they are in more need of Native English speakers to teach. Now that I have visited Taiwan there is no way I can do that anymore. I have been so hurt by the discrimination here that I really don't ever plan on coming back to China or Taiwan. I have been called fat, had someone refuse to serve us, and have been called all sorts of names. Most of the time they will talk bad about me right as I am standing next to them because they think that I can't hear them! It is a real shame. They don't realize how much their discrimination effects us.
yes taiwanese are racists. But they dont even realize it. Because most of the racists are people who have never left the island. And since the level of education is pretty low. They have no idea how racist they are. Every time i pass by a school or group of kids, they will point at you and say hey look a foreigner. The problem is that they may be so poor they had never seen a foreigner or travelled abroad. Well when they get more internationally educated people, they will be able to learn .from them and maybe one day understand why its racist. Because now people think its cute to do that. They can not understand why you dont like that extra attention everywhere you go .
I'm Latino. White/american aboriginal mix. From the USA. I've Been in Taiwan 12 years. All of the above and more has happened to me here in Tw.
I've been illegally fired (contract breached) just to let a white person take my job. Many times have I been called "black", given ugly looks, excluded from activies, excursions, etc.
Countless times have I been walking hanging, partying w my white(r) friends, whe we are encountered by locals. All their interest, friendliness, good will and all goes to my white friends (though not their fault) while I sit on the sidelines being ignored. They feed them, wine them, practice their language skills and even the girls show sexual interest to whites quick, simply because they are white.
Pay attention to TV commercials and you'll only find millions of make up, creams, etc. which promise to make you or keep you white as possible. Not one ad offers any product to darken your skin. Not 1. Ever. Never.
And yes, bring it up and they ate on blissful denial.
99% of girls all want pale skin, and local males make it worse by rejecting darker girls, calling them ugly, black or dirty, even if the girls are beautiful. Then the ignorant n gullible girl goes and gets all the whitening cream n make up they can get their hands on.
Its a vicious circle. Yet, they don't consider themselves racist. And when its brought up, they will give you a million reasons why they are not, & then tell you about all the Times they were victims of racism from foreigners.
Again, a vicious circle.
I bet u still live in the US right now huh?
Anon 8/23/2013: who are you addressing your comment to? The author is from Australia.
Thank you for this post. What I need now is a way to deal with this. I am tired of constantly being called a Wai Guo Ren.外國人。 I just don't know what to do anymore it really bothers me, but it's hard for me to leave because I have two children and a wife.
How can I live and be apart of a society that judges me by my skin color and will has difficulty believing that I am not a foreigner?
There is a difference between being in denial and simply not realizing there's a problem. When one considers that the population is 98% Han Chinese and a little more than 2% aboriginal then it is easy to see how the "racist" behavior persists. A lot of Taiwanese people simply have no idea, simply because they have no way of understanding what it's like to be in the minority.
I came upon this article of yours because my friend in this group Taiwan Against Discrimination shared it with us. I agree with a lot of things stated here...so does this article:
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/commentary/eye-on-taiwan/2014/09/11/416974/Friendliness-can.htm
I agree. I used to live in Taiwan and experience some of the things mentioned here. This is also takes place in other places in Eastern Asia like China, Korea and Taiwan.
I've been in Taiwan over 15 years. Over that time people in Taiwan has reduced their overt shouting at foreigners, the 'hellos' and shouts of 'adogah'. But as a person of non Chinese looking appearance (White in my case), it's still proves difficult to be taken as a local, even when speaking fluent mandarin. It's a drag, and mentally I think I checked out of this place a couple of years ago, because I'd rather live in a place where I can be accepted as a local or at least go about my business without being labelled everytime I work into an establishment.
Plus the lack of movement on voting rights and a method to gain citizenship is troubling.
It's an easy place to live Taiwan, but sometimes not very satisfying. Too many rote conversations repeated..over..and over...and over.
And yes the people who speak English when they know full well you speak fluent Chinese are most annoying.
where are you man? tell me more.. im at Taichung email me here theflickerees (at) hotmail (dot) com
As a singaporean, a chinese who knows chinese and english, i have to also admit taiwanese are racists UNKNOWINGLY.
singapore's english standard is number one in asia,and the worst thing,is they give preference to westerners! taiwan schools treat singaporean UNIVERSITY GRADUATE teachers same standard as philipinos,wow!despite our english standard is evidently higher than theirs.
and worse to come,is singapore allowing their mandarin teachers to come singapore to teach chinese ,whereas their syllabus from taiwan education for donkey years is traditional chinese and our singapore government can allow them to come to singapore to teach simplified chinese!wow ! isnt this clearly one way street ,no mutual reciprocity???
taiwanese only treat japan as the most superior country on earth ,as they misunderstand that the japanese atrocities in ww2 are a thing of the past. japan still kill whales as part of their ""cultural event" ,despite calls against them from the international community. I never look at the past and determine the future.But has the japanese changed,or even apologised for the atrocities in ww2???
talk about forgiving atrocities,when the germans had apologised. plus no other country who had ever fought a war,ever bayonet babies in front of parents for sadistic and inhumane enjoyment. the germans also practiced torture and mass killing but is never targeted for sadistic enjoyment.the germans sent most jews to gas chambers ,parents and kids,and NOT KILLING THE KID IN FRONT OF THE PARENTS ONLY OR RAPING THE WIFE IN FRONT OF THE HUSBAND.
please do not attack me as looking at the past. I am always looking ahead, let bygones be bygones,BUT HAVE THE JAPANESE APOLOGISED ?HAVE THE JAPANESE CHANGED???
THEY STILL ARE OSTRACIZING FOREIGNERS EVEN TODAY,WHEN MANY JAPANESE PLACES WROTE A SIGN SAYING "ONLY JAPANESE ALLOWED".
I DETEST ONE WAY STREET RELATIONSHIP. sincere thanks to you all.
yeah,i have the same experience as you as a singaporean living in taiwan for 5years and about to leave to western countries. my wife and i initially thought we could adapt easily to a fellow chinese country,but we were god damn wrong.
the taiwanese lead a very very similar to japanese type of lifestyle,that is way too defensive.we have been all over the world ,more than 10 countries,living in each country for more than 1 year each.
1) Over FEAR of sugar,there is never sugarless drinks in any countries other than japan and taiwan.
2) Over Fear of carbohydrates that even my 80years old mother can eat more rice than a healthy and strong 20years old man and my mother is still 40kg at 80years old with no high blood,no diabetes!
3)Over Fear of air pollution.oh come on,taiwan air quality is WAY MUCH BETTER than singapore,hongkong, macau ,china hazy skies and yet THEY CAN BE SEEN WEARING MASKS even at 2am roads,where there are no vehicles.
4)Over Fear of cooking smoke. the ONLY TIME when a taiwanese neighbour knocks on our door ,is only to complain of cooking soup smell,its not deep frying smoke,nor grilling smoke.we lived in 2 different places and the result is the same,they will never invite us to their house for meals like europeans ,just a hi bye,and the only time when they ring our door bell was on chinese new year day 1st day,when we were cooking soup for the family.
5) over FEAR of suntan,that women and men too! can be all covered up in 30plus degrees sweltering heat.if you tell me women love beauty more than anything else,but what about men??men love beauty more than anything else?wow!
6) over Fear of cold. we are singaporeans living in 365 days 30plus degrees and yet we are used to taiwanese cold weather more than taiwanese themselves!to us,20degrees is never cold and 15degrees,we just don on a sweater.many singaporeans who lived in taiwan also lived the same way as us.yet we are more used to taiwan cold than taiwanese themselves! this is more evidently of taiwanese drinking hot drinks in starbucks and no ice "cold" drinks.we are not europeans who are used to zero degrees temperature,we have never seen snow before and yet we love taiwan cold weather more than taiwanese themselves! probably due to their over defensive nature from young.
7) over Fear of losing out. as you know,taiwan roads are worst in DEVELOPED countries ,singapore,hongkong,uk,etc.taiwanese riding bikes on pavements,exactly like mainland chinese,and also going past green man everyday.it is perfectly fine if we are able bodied people.but when i am pushing my mother in wheelchair ,crossing the green man,the bikes,cars still cross with us!most of times,even missing my mother's toes by a few cm only!!and worst thing to come is on rainy days,when the cars go past green men and splash water onto my DISABLED MOTHER IN WHEELCHAIR !!
where is the so called 人情味？人情味 is always proclaimed by taiwanese fully exude humanistic feelings,caring for strangers.
that is crossing the road only.worse to come is,my wife is pregnant and suffered a miscarriage now,because one time scare is enough for her to bleed.we will never forgive the driver.you all know taiwan small alleys have no pavements for people to walk on,we all walk on the road with the cars and bikes.a car was behind us,we were walking in front,the car was drinving slowly.and yet suddenly the car honked so god damn loud till my wife was so shocked and experienced bleeding and water flowed out.we rushed to hospital immediately and was confirmed a miscarriage,
AND THE WORST WAS THAT DRIVER WHO HONKED SO LOUD AT US,DID NOT GO VERY FAR AWAY.HE HONKED FOR THE SAKE OF JUST TURNING INTO HIS APARTMENT CARPARK WHICH IS ONLY A FEW STEPS AWAY FROM US AT NOON TIME ON A SATURDAY!!!!
8) over ATTENTION OF image ,face,dressing,this is simply a cultural issue because they learnt from the japanese.singaporeans wear slippers even to city area mega shopping malls,but i wore slippers only to a 100ntd barber in a neighbourhood salon and was immediately criticised by the barber for wearing slippers!!this was only one time,But in my 30years in HIGH INCOME singapore,hongkong,i nevee experienced this rubbish.
9)over Fear of being fat.taiwanese rather use lunchtime to go gyms!taiwanese are the least sporty people i have ever seen,but they love go gyms just to burn calories.hence reinforcing they only want to look good.japanese women also are very scared of becoming fat and there was one japanese tv show showing fat japanese women have to go to africa just to get married!
10) over Fear of butter,etc,also linked to over fear of becoming fat .taiwan bakeries and cake shops have no butter smell at all,singapore,malaysia hongkong cake shops all have very strong butter fragrance!
11) over Fear of virus and bacteria. singapore ,hongkong also has sars but yet our people have recovered from sars shock and taiwanese can tell me sars was the time they started focusing on wearing masks! isnt this a symptom of PTSD??
it is never i want to bother about people wearing face masks as it is their own freedom and will.but such things rebound back on me when neighbours complain of our cooking smells,even with the smoke ventillator on,doors closed,etc!wow!!
such over defensive people are very very hard to live with,and this is evident why taiwanese and japanese are never socially mobile as other people in the world.
where else can u find unsweetened drinks other than taiwan and japan?
and this over fear of losing out also caused my wife to suffer a miscarriage too. we have lodged a police report and waiting for the verdict.thanks
talking about one way street relationship with the taiwanese.oh yes,
1) kaohsiung mayor came to malaysia and singapore to talk about selling his fruits and produce,but did he also allow malaysia and singapore to sell their goods here on better terms??he always says to benefit kaohsiung people economically via trade deals,but what about needing to benefit malaysia and singapore too???
2) its amazing to accept taiwanese citizenship requires the foreigner to give up his former citizenship.imagine america gives taiwanese the right to have accept american citizenship while retaining his taiwanese citizenship BUT IT IS NEVER THE VICE VERSE way around. we are not talking about countries like singapore which only allows single citizenship.
people will get very tired in a country where its one way street ,and my cousin has worked here for 10years and still being refused a credit card just because hes not a precious citizen of the precious island taiwan!
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plus you can see from this taiwanese woman living in malaysia ,married to a malaysian and she can almost everyday scold malaysians,or her husband or her husband family as 穷 poor, 脏dirty,贱cheapskate.
this is due to taiwanese over defensive nature that makes her unable to adapt to malaysian OR singapore(since its the same lifestyle) .malaysia was a former british colony just like singapore,and none of drinks are unsweetened ,unless you drink taiwanese milk tea everyday,which is on the decline in business in these 2 countries,due to lack of tea intensity flavour,losing to indian milk tea,etc.
this taiwanese woman also criticised malaysians type of living,she cant stand minor things such as hair stuck on toilet,etc,something we do not even pay attention to.
and there was also one taiwanese woman i know of,she went america 20over times,BUT YET told me she finds american food the worst in the world.
nevermind,its perfectly fine she has her own views,and her own preferences.
taiwanese and japanese are socially not mobile people and will find it hard to adapt to majority countries because majority countries have much deeper western influence,no matter its western countries or western ex colonies in southeastasia.japan and her ex territory for 50years people living styles are so far away from the europeans way of living with the europeans not over scared of aging,being fat,drinking drinks with sugar,eating cakes with butter,etc.in fact the europeans are OVER NOT DENFENSIVE,HENCE THERE ARE MUCH MORE ANERICANS in taiwan than europeans.there are only 1000plus singaporeans in taiwan too.
taiwanese told us to adapt to the country.wow,only they and japan are so specially different from the rest of the 100 over countries,we have been to more than 10 countries ,including europe.they dont even know their over defensive nature is very uniquely different from majority countries,example,if you wear a sweater in 24 25 degrees everynight singapore temperature,you will be stared at.but in taiwan it is very common to see people wearing sweaters in 25degrees NOON TIME,12PM ,EVEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT RIDING MOTIRBIKES!!
as you all know,people force themselves to adapt to 360degrees different country for sake of child's better education OR higher salary.Taiwan on this does not give us BOTH.WHY SHOULD WE FORCE OURSELVES TO ADAPT TO A "LOWER " COUNTRY WHEREAS THEIR OWN TAIWANESE COME TO "LOWER" MALAYSIA also scold everyday in facebook!!read the above facebook link for proof.
my wife wanted to leave taiwan in her 1st year of work as the working culture here is totally 360different from netherlands and western singapore and hongkong.but i was the one who advised her to stay and see what it has caused,a miscarriage by some bastard who honked super loud unnecessarily.read the above.
i felf very guilty and apologised profusely to my wife. when my wife worked in netherlands,strangers on the road will greet her,this is what i call real 人情味,people who really have humanistic feelings.when she worked in singapore,her own country,ssingaporeans are in the middle of europeans and taiwanese,at least her colleagues will show her concern by asking how she was ,when she was on medical leave,etc. but in taiwan ,even when she was sick,nobody asked her how she was and everyday,there was no greeting of good morning with colleagues,except with fellow westerners and fellow southeastasians colleagues.
it is a very super cold culture here that makes many westerners MISUNDERSTAND THAT IT IS DUE TO LANGUAGE DIFFERENCES THAT TAIWANESE DO NOT GET CLOSE TO FOREIGNERS.it is never the case as MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH CHINESE AND CAN SPEAK CHINESE VERY WELL.AND YET TAIWANESE MAINTAINED THEIR ISOLATEDNESS AND ALWAYS KEEP TO THEMSELVES.the only time when our neighbours talk to us was when they complained of our soup cooking smell on 1st day of chinese new year!NOT ONLY DID THEY NOT WISH US HAPPY NEW YEAR SINCE THEY WERE THE ONES WHO RING OUR DOORBELL AND WE ARE ALL CHINESE,THEY COMPLAINED IMMEDIATELY!!
taiwanese and japanese are always very solo,by themselves or wuth their own people.they will hardly interact with foreigners UNLESS it is for promotion OR for clinching business deals OR for material benefits.there was a tv show in taiwan,showing japanese going to europe spain to test how different japanese (and hence taiwanese) are from europeans.the japanese knew beforehand that japanese love to eat meals by themselves and asked one japanese woman to dine in a restaurant in spain by herself.true enough,all spanish people looked at her and one even asked her to dine with them!the japanese host interviewed the europeans later and they said they find it very weird that people should dine alone.this is the comradeship and the 人情味humanistic feeling that taiwan and japan sorely lack.
plus taiwanese are really rushing for time.taiwan is snsit a financial hub like hongkong or singapore where every minute counts.if we want same higher salary,we might as well remain in singapore or hongkong.we dont mind lower salary ,but we also expect lower pace of life.but i was very appalled at the over fear of losing out mentality in taiwan.its even worse than singapore. the everyday rushing past green man is only one example.many times,a wheelchair person board the bus,the bus driver will announce,please allow the wheelchair person to alight ,get down from the bus at the next stop first.despite his announcement,once the next stop comes,the taiwanese will still continue to get down or get up 1st!until the wheelchair person must shout out in anger,"didnt u hear what the bus driver said".i was very appalled by this.plus many times,as you all know taiwan bus is very shaky,and the drivers can drive off without making sure that the old are still boarding OR alighting the bus.there were many times,the bus drove off when the old are still getting down from the bus,resulting in the elderly falling down and shouting at the driver.
As again,WHERE IS THE 人情味,humanistic feeling???
there are no housewarming parties like in europe where we really enjoyed our time there and will be returning soon after my wife miscarriaged.
yours sincerely
to wrap things up,the worst joke is despite all the over defensiveness of taiwanese food preferences of no sugar in drinks,butter,cream,carbs,and yet the average lifespan of taiwanese is only 80years old!only exceed that of well known junk food crazy nation america by only 1 year!!plus singaporeans drink much sweeter than them and love butter and dairy products much more than them,yet our average lifespan is 82.8years and hongkongers average lifespan already in year 2019 exceed taiwanese darling ex master japanese average lifespan at 85years old.
all the evidence you just google average lifespan of taiwanese ,japanese,americans,hongkongers singaporeans in year 2019. thanks
continued from above,today is my wife's miscarriage surgery.the doctor or nurse did not inform us the need to bring sanitary pad.so the hospital lent us one and asked us to buy and return them!wow 1 sanitary pad also want it back!how much is one sanitary pad???
always have new examples everyday to show over pettiness and over defensiveness of taiwanese.we are totally disgusted,after having suffered pain of miscarriage by road mishaps and then even a cheap sanitary pad also want us to return!
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taiwanese are so not well travelled that the majority of kids i taught before told me they had only been to japan.nevermind about that.
many taiwanese are so stuck in their shells and japan shells that anything not same as them is mainland chinese behaviour.for example,singaporeans and hongkongers ,up till today ,2019 ,also eat a lot of rice.average singaporeans rice intake is double of taiwanese and average hongkongers rice intake is double of singaporeans.a cafe de coral meal in hongkong is enough to make me full but never any meal in taiwan ,except the eat all you can,etc.
i eat a lot of rice,same as my 80years old mother who eats more than a 20years olf taiwan male,and to their amazement,they say isnt eating a lot of rice outmoded mainland chinese behaviour??吃很多米饭不是过时的大陆饮食习惯？
i said to them,up till today,hongkong is a financial hub,no more physical labour jobs,the people are still eating mountain loads of rice.there is racism involved as taiwanese not only do they not acknowlegde that they are not well travelled,they see no need to travel to other parts of the world ,other than japan,they attribute anything different from them as part of their "enemy" mainland china behaviour.
there was a recent survey done that phillipinos are taiwanese 3rd most hated group.i have seen the counter video,of course majority taiwanese will deny it BUT IN THAT VIDEO,ONE TAIWANESE WOMAN SAYS SHE DOES NOT LIKE FILIPINOS BECOZ THEY ARE VERY NOISY.but what about their traffic behaviour??isnt that similar to vietnam traffic?
taiwanese overdefnesiveness can also be seen in sugar and butter and rain and smoke too.
cakes and desserts are never everyday staples and its something we asians only eat once a week or once a month and yet something so infrequently eaten ,the taiwanese and also the japanese are so scared of butter making them fat!cakes in malaysia ,singapore,all have that super rich butter smell in them.
where else in the world can you find unsweetened tea,other than taiwan and japan?
in latin america,i was watching a food show in AFC CHANNEL,CHANNEL 225,the latin americans say they barbeque ONCE A WEEK IN THEIR HOMES!!yes their homes may be larger ,has a garden ,etc BUT EVEN BARBQUEING IN THE GARDEN OF THE TAIPEI APARTMENT ONCE A YEAR MOONCAKE FESTIVAL IS A STRICT NO.
we singaporeans are tolerant to once a year events ,that burning of joss paper in the 7th month in our apartments void decks ,where the ash can fly into our house and littered our houses with ashes!i am not a buddhist,and yet I AM TOLERANT OF SUCH BEHAVIOUR BECAUSE IT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE A YEAR AND NOT EVERYDAY.
but the taiwanese are INTOLERANT OF THINGS SUCH AS BARBEQUING IN THE APARTMENTS GARDENS ONCE A YEAR!!
nevermind all these, even rain too!a a japanese went to germany and stayed and wrote in his blog that germans do not carry umbrellas easily,even during rain.
from all these happenings PLUS i have been to europe,southeastasia and latin america and america ,i have never seen before living styles so so so super OVER DEFENSIVE LIKE THE TAIWANESE AND JAPANESE EVER BEFORE.
yes every country is the same,as taiwanese will tell me..BUT ALMOST EVERY COUNTRY IS THE SAME NOT SO OVERDEFENSIVE IN SUGAR,BUTTER,CARBS,RAIN,SUN,COLD ,SMOKE(VEHICLE,COOKING), VIRUS BACTERIA,other than taiwanese and japanese being SUPER OVER DEFENSIVE.
Singaporeans are in the middle between europe SUPER NOT DEFENSIVE AND TAIWANESE,JAPANESE SUPER OVER DEFENSIVE,AND EVEN THEN,WE CHOOSE TO BE LIVING IN EUROPE. my wife and i definitely will never raise up a kid in taiwan,because once he or she is brought up in this MINORITY COUNTRIES LIVING STYLES environment,he or she will find it super hard to adapt to majority countries which are western countries or ex western colonies way of living.even big organisations like yakun kaya bread did not even bother to form a research team to specially cater to taiwanese and japanese special minority tastebuds,they just pull out of taiwan in just a few months.
thanks.
continued from above,they all hoped to wish to live till 200years old!but in the end,their average lifespan is only 1 year longer than the junk food nation america! I LOVE JUNK FOOD,GIVE ME MORE.whats use of using your whole life to defend just for that pathetic more 10% of life???ALL TAIWANESE I TALKED TO DO NOT EVEN KNOW THAT SINGAPOREANS AVERAGE LIFESPAN IS EVEN MORE THAN THEIRS!82.8 VS 80! TAIWANESE ONLY KNOW AND BOTHER TO KNOW EVERYTHING,CONCERNING THEIR DARLING MASTER,JAPAN!
sincerely speaking,i am a chinese,i am not mainland chinese,taiwan should be called republic of japan,because anything other than language,majority of their living styles are all japanese living styles,like i have mentioned above.
we singaporeans were under british for 150years BUT YET WE DO NOT WORSHIP BRITAIN TILL THE EXTREMES,HAVING ONLY BEEN TO BRITAIN,MAJORITY BRITISH FOOD AND SINGAPORE FOOD IN SINGAPORE.no. we are like hongkong,having a rich plethora of international cuisines and able to attract so many westerners,which taiwan failed terribly.as the idiom says birds of same feather flock together,hence history determines the future.there were many much more western colonies than japanese colonies,hence it explains the MAJORITY 100 OVER COUNTRIES ARE NEVER AS OVER DEFENSIVE AS TAIWANESE AND JAPANESE.thanks
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